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Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2012.03.26 16:43:00 - [1] - Quote Ok...let me preface this by saying that I'm not a "NPC corp alt", but in fact a new player. Therefore, my opinion doesn't matter. However, I'm going to give it anyway: 1. Whether or not a player is "suicidal" is irrelevant. 2. The rules explicitly state that harassment is not permitted. 3. The Mittani publicly requested people to harass this player in an out-of-game forum (albeit one sanctioned by the game company). This seems to me to be more like a Charles Manson-esque situation. He's suggesting that people should break the game rules. He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules. The real argument here is whether or not having a CSM member suggest that players break game rules "for the lulz" is acceptable conduct. Well, that's subjective. There's no ruleset there. That's something for CCP to decide, not us (or since I'm a noob, I guess it's more for "you" to decide since none of you probably consider me to be part of your little e-Spaceship group). Personally, I think he should at least apologize for requesting people break the rules by harassing this guy. However, I think removing him from the CSM panel would be a bit illogical as once again, he hasn't actually broken any rules. What I would suggest is that CCP further codify CSM conduct, and CSM term limits may not be a bad idea. Again, my useless opinion but I'm tossing it out there. Thank you for ignoring my noob pubbie wall-o-text. Did I use that "pubbie" expression right? -Ami
Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.03.26 17:01:00 - [2] - Quote Tommy Laughingface wrote: Danfen Fenix wrote: Tommy Laughingface wrote: Why can you all discuss how to handle the situation if there is no proof presented in the original post??? Because it was seen live? You say it was on live, but where is the vid then? Doesn't anyone have a recording? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE
Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2012.03.26 17:28:00 - [3] - Quote Pillowtalk wrote: EnderCapitalG wrote: Aryndel Vyst wrote: Is this really 16 pages of A BLOO BLOO about some rando high sec pubbie blogging about his miserable irl life in an evemail to a rando stranger? If CCP wanted to feel accountable for their actions they should have pre-screened the alliance presentations. There were no guidelines on them. I can tell you all to go kill yourselves just like you can tell me to go ** myself. It's the game we play in the environment we play it in. If CCP has an issue with it, they should change the rules of the game. Harassment isn't allowed, but much like anything else harassment is subjective. In closing, DEAL WITH IT "Haha here is the guys name and how you spell it. You should all go make him try to kill himself." Please, seriously, explain to me how the interpretation of that is "subjective." Already been done. Amity Lane wrote: This seems to me to be more like a Charles Manson-esque situation. He's suggesting that people should break the game rules. He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules.**
Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2012.03.26 18:52:00 - [4] - Quote Why are people still babbling on about Psychology? It's irrelevant. The issue is that The Mittani, as a CSM, suggested to people that they break the rules by harassing someone. That's it. It's been said before (self-quoting for the win): Quote: 1. Whether or not a player is "suicidal" is irrelevant. 2. The rules explicitly state that harassment is not permitted. 3. The Mittani publicly requested people to harass this player in an out-of-game forum (albeit one sanctioned by the game company). (snip) He's not actually breaking any rules himself, and whether or not people choose to harass this guy is their decision. From a purely logical standpoint, The Mittani has broken no rules. The real argument here is whether or not having a CSM member suggest that players break game rules "for the lulz" is acceptable conduct. (snip) You guys are doing the same thing that occurred during that whole Lewinsky scandal, where it became about adultery instead of perjury. There's no point in yammering on about psychology and suicide like you know what you're talking about when it's completely irrelevant to the issue at hand (though sadly had the player in question not been considered "suicidal" I doubt this issue would be receiving the attention it is).
Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 5	Posted - 2012.03.26 19:04:00 - [5] - Quote Helicity Boson wrote: I also think nobody here is actually using their heads and using logic to analyse the situation. I've tried a couple times now, but it seems to repeatedly get buried in forum-scroll by non sequitur posts announcing sexual orientation and people just regurgitating the same flawed, irrelevant arguments that strated on Page 2 with no real progress in the discussion short of "if I shout it loud enough, it will become fact" attitudes. Eh, I gave it a shot. I'd held out hope for a more refined discussion on a forum for a game that supposedly has a more mature user base. I guess as a new EVE player, I'm still pretty naive. Hey, could be worse...at least I'm not falling for that guy selling 1 piece of Tritanium for 600+ million ISK.
Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2012.03.26 19:56:00 - [6] - Quote Kasha Belle wrote: Any actual link to the offending video?? Context is everything. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E7Ki91U-mBE
Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2012.03.26 21:47:00 - [7] - Quote Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions. He, as a CSM, suggested to people that they break the game's rules. Is that acceptable conduct for a CSM? Everything else in this argument is irrelevant, emotionally-charged illogical drivel.
Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 14	Posted - 2012.03.26 21:50:00 - [8] - Quote Ladie Harlot wrote: Amity Lane wrote: Still amazed that 46+ pages later, people still don't get that this isn't about the "victim", it's about Mittani's actions.. Well that's a relief since there was nothing wrong with his actions. So am I correct in assuming that you believe it is acceptable for a CSM to suggest that people break the game rules? What if a CSM told people to start botting, and gave them good locations to do it in where they wouldn't get caught? Would that also be acceptable?
Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 19	Posted - 2012.03.27 00:23:00 - [9] - Quote It is interesting how quickly Mittani's support in this thread has gone from "he did nothing wrong, suck it up losers" to "here's his sincere apology, please take it at face value". Not expressing support of one side of the other. Just pointing out how fickle it appears is all.
Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2012.03.27 01:23:00 - [10] - Quote It was never about the "victim". It's about The Mittani's actions as a CSM, and whether or not that conduct is acceptable. I've said that no fewer than 3 times in this thread already, but people would rather bicker over nonsensical, irrelevant topics than try to look at this scenario logically. This whole incident has been some pretty interesting stuff IMO.

Amity Lane Royal Amarr Institute Amarr Empire 109	Posted - 2012.03.28 23:52:00 - [11] - Quote Mr Epeen wrote: Mr Epeen wrote: Headline April: Mittens booted from CSM. Pubbies win meta game. Mr Epeen I'm a goddam psychic. For 500m I will tell you your future as well. Mr Epeen Only if you promise there's a tall, dark stranger in mine. I personally never thought in a million years he would get removed from the CSM by CCP. So, I guess you get a cookie. (::)

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